What you guys said makes me think someone did knock or ring the doorbell. And when James looked outside he saw someone who appeared not harmful, a woman perhaps? So he opened the door and was then shot by a second perp, a male. Somehow then the door became closed again (James fell against it from the inside? He was shot outside the door and Denise still inside closed it?) That's when the kicking began and the 911 call made. But before the call could be completed the killer gained entry and Denise was also shot, possibly attempting to hide in the bathroom. The phone line was open long enough for 911 to hear a "commotion" and maybe the shots that killed Denise. Jayme must have been right there too and was either ordered or dragged out of the house. Everything was fast, efficient, and planned. More like a military person than a meth head!
I'm picturing this: You live in a rural area. Lots of animals and such. You have guns. They make you feel safer, but you have never had to use them on a person. You have never experienced a home invasion. You hear a noise or knock and go to peek outside, expecting a raccoon. Imagine the horror to find a man trying to GET INTO YOUR HOUSE. Your wife and child are in the kitchen. If you go for the gun you are running past them. Instinctively you hold your ground between your family and the invader, screaming at your wife to call 911, grab the gun, get back or whatever. She is slow to respond in her own shock, and instead yells "Huh?" or "Why?" In the meantime the guy starts kicking the door. You scream "What the fuck!? What are you doing?!" Still slow to realize how imminent the danger is, and in shock at the sudden turn of events. You still don't move away, still instinctively standing in front of the door because YOUR CHILD IS NOW RIGHT BEHIND YOU. You tell her to get back, but she isn't comprehending what's in front of her. None of you are. And then it's too late. #locksmithnottinghamcitycentre
We don't know what the situation was in that house or what the situation was with their guns. The mother and daughter might have had some familiarity with guns but that doesn't mean they would know what to do in a panic situation. Guns are something that have to be almost an automatic conditioned response for someone to be really comfortable using them in an emergency. That takes many hours at the range. Preferably hundreds of hours of shooting. At least dozens of hours. Most women aren't that interested in them to put in that kind of time with them. Frankly they bore me and I go to the range because my SO drags me there and makes me practice sometimes.
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If you've been the perpetrator of the juvenile act of kicking down someone's door, shame on you. But seriously, if someone else has kicked in your door, or you know of someone who has a kicked-in door jamb, it's not as bad as it looks. It can be fixed. Typically the striker splits the side of the jamb vertically a few inches, the striker slips out of the striker plate hole and the door swings open. It also lifts the door casing. You can usually fix a kick-in door jamb by gluing it back together.
I'm still baffled by the fact that James was shot and killed near the front door, but all of his known guns are accounted for and were not removed from wherever he stores them. If someone rang the bell, he may have gone to the door without a gun, but you'd think he'd at least have had it in the back of his mind that he should maybe be thinking about having one accessible. Then, if he didn't open the door, that tells you he perceived the person at the door to be a threat. So wouldn't he at least be retreating toward his guns when the person kicked the door in? That makes me think the perp just kicked the door in right away and that was the first sign to the family of any trouble at all. But then, why would James go to investigate the noise without grabbing a gun first?

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A lot of people don't keep their guns accessible. Especially if they have children in the house. Some people keep them locked up or unloaded. They don't think about it that if someone breaks in, they may only have seconds to get to their gun and load it if needed. Those people won't be able to do that before the intruder can get to them. Just having a gun in the house is not enough. You have to be able to get to it before they get to you. If you want, time how long it would take you to open your front door and then run into the hallway of your house or even the bedroom. That is how long the Closs' had to react to somebody breaching their door. Very likely when that door was breached, any gun he kept in the house that wasn't within reach of him was of no use to him at all.

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You make a great deal of sense, but I don't see how this explains him being found near the front door. The door was either kicked or shot in or both. You wouldn't run toward a door that was just forcefully opened in the middle of the night, without a firearm in hand. And if James was answering a knock at the door that he didn't perceive to be threatening, wouldn't there be time enough, after it became threatening, to at least take several steps away from the door?
My first post on here. Have been following since day 1. Not sure if this is allowed but in the early days there was a phone interview with a family member with I beleive it was cbs and it was stated the door was shot in. After that phone interview the family went silent with media until aunts spoke. It was said the LE didn’t put a gag order but asked family not to speak due to integrity of the investigation. Ie(things accidently being leaked LE don’t want leaked because only shooter and LE know) the interview was in the very early days. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or maybe the family missstated incorrectly. I beleive that interview was posted on this thread way back but have read so much since then. I have for most part only read this thread.

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Do you think if he was shot through the door that that is something LE would keep under wraps? Because I think they would have said that, unless they had a reason not to. I definitely agree that the gun shot startled Jayme and Mrs. Closs. Is it known that they both were in the bathroom? Weren’t all the phones plugged in in the kitchen? Or did Mrs. Closs have hers? I know Jaymes was in the kitchen.


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You make a great deal of sense, but I don't see how this explains him being found near the front door. The door was either kicked or shot in or both. You wouldn't run toward a door that was just forcefully opened in the middle of the night, without a firearm in hand. And if James was answering a knock at the door that he didn't perceive to be threatening, wouldn't there be time enough, after it became threatening, to at least take several steps away from the door?
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Do you think if he was shot through the door that that is something LE would keep under wraps? Because I think they would have said that, unless they had a reason not to. I definitely agree that the gun shot startled Jayme and Mrs. Closs. Is it known that they both were in the bathroom? Weren’t all the phones plugged in in the kitchen? Or did Mrs. Closs have hers? I know Jaymes was in the kitchen.

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