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How many seconds does it take to get to a front door from a bedroom or other room in most houses? I would think a person of average mobility in an average house could get to their front door from any room in about 5 to 30 seconds. I have to go down a flight of stairs and traverse the entire house but I can do it in about 15 seconds. So it is possible that if the intruder was not able to breach the door with a single kick but had to use multiple kicks or shoot the door then kick it or shove it then the father could have arrived at the hallway just as the door was being breached and then been shot. Or he could have gotten there before the door was breached and been there as it was breached. I don't think there is a way for us to know that. I am not sure it matters either other than this situation at the door probably all took place in under a minute from start to finish.
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Could he have been arguing through the door with someone he never expected would kick the door in? Then the perp just kicked the door in and shot him? That doesn't seem to make sense either. Can you really kick down a front door with one kick? I'd love to hear thoughts on how he could be lying near the front door, close enough for an officer to state that it looked as if he was answering the door when he was shot, without a firearm.
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Do you think if he was shot through the door that that is something LE would keep under wraps? Because I think they would have said that, unless they had a reason not to. I definitely agree that the gun shot startled Jayme and Mrs. Closs. Is it known that they both were in the bathroom? Weren’t all the phones plugged in in the kitchen? Or did Mrs. Closs have hers? I know Jaymes was in the kitchen.
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I'm still baffled by the fact that James was shot and killed near the front door, but all of his known guns are accounted for and were not removed from wherever he stores them. If someone rang the bell, he may have gone to the door without a gun, but you'd think he'd at least have had it in the back of his mind that he should maybe be thinking about having one accessible. Then, if he didn't open the door, that tells you he perceived the person at the door to be a threat. So wouldn't he at least be retreating toward his guns when the person kicked the door in? That makes me think the perp just kicked the door in right away and that was the first sign to the family of any trouble at all. But then, why would James go to investigate the noise without grabbing a gun first?
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What you guys said makes me think someone did knock or ring the doorbell. And when James looked outside he saw someone who appeared not harmful, a woman perhaps? So he opened the door and was then shot by a second perp, a male. Somehow then the door became closed again (James fell against it from the inside? He was shot outside the door and Denise still inside closed it?) That's when the kicking began and the 911 call made. But before the call could be completed the killer gained entry and Denise was also shot, possibly attempting to hide in the bathroom. The phone line was open long enough for 911 to hear a "commotion" and maybe the shots that killed Denise. Jayme must have been right there too and was either ordered or dragged out of the house. Everything was fast, efficient, and planned. More like a military person than a meth head!
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I had not really thought about this detail until now. Didn’t think twice about a kicked in door, it doesn’t seem out of place in a crime, just something you kind of read through. However, do we think that the perpetrator kicked in the door for an element of surprise? (I think that is with most cases) Or possibly that they knew the family would not let them in/already tried knocking/ringing the bell and the family went to hide because they knew who the perp was. The only reason I see the perp killing the parents IF this was only about Jayme (which I do not know how I feel about that), is if they could recognize/name him. Most of children that are kidnapped, their parents are left completely fine. Or if they DIDNT know the perp, the perp had a reason to be very angry with the parents. I still do not know what I think fully about this case. I’ve read everything on r/JaymeCloss but would love to hear any and all opinions/theories. This is my first post ever sorry if it rambles on.

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I would imagine that if anyone had, in the slightest, upset the family recently, he would have gone for a gun before approaching the door at that hour. If I argued with a crazy neighbor or someone had made a threat recently, or any type of upsetting altercation happened, and there was a late night knock, I would anticipate that person and be on guard. Or perhaps the wife or daughter had an issue they didn't tell Dad about. So one of the women hears the knock, and is filled with dread. But Dad being Dad is not expecting trouble, and is taken by surprise.

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