I had not really thought about this detail until now. Didn’t think twice about a kicked in door, it doesn’t seem out of place in a crime, just something you kind of read through. However, do we think that the perpetrator kicked in the door for an element of surprise? (I think that is with most cases) Or possibly that they knew the family would not let them in/already tried knocking/ringing the bell and the family went to hide because they knew who the perp was. The only reason I see the perp killing the parents IF this was only about Jayme (which I do not know how I feel about that), is if they could recognize/name him. Most of children that are kidnapped, their parents are left completely fine. Or if they DIDNT know the perp, the perp had a reason to be very angry with the parents. I still do not know what I think fully about this case. I’ve read everything on r/JaymeCloss but would love to hear any and all opinions/theories. This is my first post ever sorry if it rambles on.
This kind of stuff goes down really fast and I am sure most people panic and don't always make the most logical move. On the part of the father, confronting the intruder might have been his only choice if he couldn't get to his guns in time. Or it might have been a reflex action to go towards the intruder rather than pick a different strategy. Because he may not have had time to do something else. In hindsight, maybe he could have run for the daughter's room and put her out the window and told her to run then taken his stand there. Who knows. But he didn't have the luxury of thinking through scenarios. Most people go into flight or flight mode. For men, it is usually fight mode by instinct and for women flight mode. So he confronted the intruder and they hid. For the mother and daughter, hiding in a room and locking the door, like the bathroom, might have been a panic instinct rather than trying to get to guns that they may not have been comfortable using or loading or that they weren't sure they could get to in time.
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I was thinking about timing too. But if mr closs heard a kick he certainly would head towards his firearms don’t you think? Or maybe to tell Jayme and Mrs. Closs to hide and then go towards the firearms all which could be done fairly quickly especially with the adrenaline of being scared. If i heard someone kicking at my door I would make sure I was armed before going to investigate. The only reason I can think of that he would head towards the door is if he knew who was there, or was already near the front door trying to get them to leave. Him being shot near the front door with no firearm, no evidence (that has been shared yet at least) that he was trying to get to his guns is very strange.

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You make a great deal of sense, but I don't see how this explains him being found near the front door. The door was either kicked or shot in or both. You wouldn't run toward a door that was just forcefully opened in the middle of the night, without a firearm in hand. And if James was answering a knock at the door that he didn't perceive to be threatening, wouldn't there be time enough, after it became threatening, to at least take several steps away from the door?
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How many seconds does it take to get to a front door from a bedroom or other room in most houses? I would think a person of average mobility in an average house could get to their front door from any room in about 5 to 30 seconds. I have to go down a flight of stairs and traverse the entire house but I can do it in about 15 seconds. So it is possible that if the intruder was not able to breach the door with a single kick but had to use multiple kicks or shoot the door then kick it or shove it then the father could have arrived at the hallway just as the door was being breached and then been shot. Or he could have gotten there before the door was breached and been there as it was breached. I don't think there is a way for us to know that. I am not sure it matters either other than this situation at the door probably all took place in under a minute from start to finish.
Jayme Closs disappeared on 10/15/18. Around 1am that morning, police received a 911 call and responded within 4 minutes. They found Jayme’s parents, Denise and James Closs, dead in their home with Jayme missing. Denise and James' deaths were ruled a homicide by gun shot and Jayme went missing. On 1/11/19, Jayme Closs was safely recovered and taken to a hospital for treatment. This is a developing story.

My first post on here. Have been following since day 1. Not sure if this is allowed but in the early days there was a phone interview with a family member with I beleive it was cbs and it was stated the door was shot in. After that phone interview the family went silent with media until aunts spoke. It was said the LE didn’t put a gag order but asked family not to speak due to integrity of the investigation. Ie(things accidently being leaked LE don’t want leaked because only shooter and LE know) the interview was in the very early days. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or maybe the family missstated incorrectly. I beleive that interview was posted on this thread way back but have read so much since then. I have for most part only read this thread.
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