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I'm picturing this: You live in a rural area. Lots of animals and such. You have guns. They make you feel safer, but you have never had to use them on a person. You have never experienced a home invasion. You hear a noise or knock and go to peek outside, expecting a raccoon. Imagine the horror to find a man trying to GET INTO YOUR HOUSE. Your wife and child are in the kitchen. If you go for the gun you are running past them. Instinctively you hold your ground between your family and the invader, screaming at your wife to call 911, grab the gun, get back or whatever. She is slow to respond in her own shock, and instead yells "Huh?" or "Why?" In the meantime the guy starts kicking the door. You scream "What the fuck!? What are you doing?!" Still slow to realize how imminent the danger is, and in shock at the sudden turn of events. You still don't move away, still instinctively standing in front of the door because YOUR CHILD IS NOW RIGHT BEHIND YOU. You tell her to get back, but she isn't comprehending what's in front of her. None of you are. And then it's too late.
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True, but most people don’t just call 911 if someone rings the bell or knocks. It likely would’ve been easier to keep them calm for as long as possible. Also what would’ve made them call the cops if they saw him/her at the door? Did they have a large gun? My thought is if them kicking in the door had any meaning, he KNEW they would be scared for a reason if they saw him first. I would think kicking in the door would lead to way faster screaming and trying to call 911. I really do wonder if they knew this person to be a danger, or minimally they would know something wasn’t right if this specific person was at their door. I am a very very cautious person but if i saw a man at my door ringing the bell I would not just immediately call 911. I really have a feeling that when this is all sorted that people are going to know who the perp is. Maybe it isn’t someone too close to them, but someone people could identify.
We don't know what the situation was in that house or what the situation was with their guns. The mother and daughter might have had some familiarity with guns but that doesn't mean they would know what to do in a panic situation. Guns are something that have to be almost an automatic conditioned response for someone to be really comfortable using them in an emergency. That takes many hours at the range. Preferably hundreds of hours of shooting. At least dozens of hours. Most women aren't that interested in them to put in that kind of time with them. Frankly they bore me and I go to the range because my SO drags me there and makes me practice sometimes.
If you've been the perpetrator of the juvenile act of kicking down someone's door, shame on you. But seriously, if someone else has kicked in your door, or you know of someone who has a kicked-in door jamb, it's not as bad as it looks. It can be fixed. Typically the striker splits the side of the jamb vertically a few inches, the striker slips out of the striker plate hole and the door swings open. It also lifts the door casing. You can usually fix a kick-in door jamb by gluing it back together.

A lot of people don't keep their guns accessible. Especially if they have children in the house. Some people keep them locked up or unloaded. They don't think about it that if someone breaks in, they may only have seconds to get to their gun and load it if needed. Those people won't be able to do that before the intruder can get to them. Just having a gun in the house is not enough. You have to be able to get to it before they get to you. If you want, time how long it would take you to open your front door and then run into the hallway of your house or even the bedroom. That is how long the Closs' had to react to somebody breaching their door. Very likely when that door was breached, any gun he kept in the house that wasn't within reach of him was of no use to him at all.

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I'm picturing this: You live in a rural area. Lots of animals and such. You have guns. They make you feel safer, but you have never had to use them on a person. You have never experienced a home invasion. You hear a noise or knock and go to peek outside, expecting a raccoon. Imagine the horror to find a man trying to GET INTO YOUR HOUSE. Your wife and child are in the kitchen. If you go for the gun you are running past them. Instinctively you hold your ground between your family and the invader, screaming at your wife to call 911, grab the gun, get back or whatever. She is slow to respond in her own shock, and instead yells "Huh?" or "Why?" In the meantime the guy starts kicking the door. You scream "What the fuck!? What are you doing?!" Still slow to realize how imminent the danger is, and in shock at the sudden turn of events. You still don't move away, still instinctively standing in front of the door because YOUR CHILD IS NOW RIGHT BEHIND YOU. You tell her to get back, but she isn't comprehending what's in front of her. None of you are. And then it's too late.
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I had not really thought about this detail until now. Didn’t think twice about a kicked in door, it doesn’t seem out of place in a crime, just something you kind of read through. However, do we think that the perpetrator kicked in the door for an element of surprise? (I think that is with most cases) Or possibly that they knew the family would not let them in/already tried knocking/ringing the bell and the family went to hide because they knew who the perp was. The only reason I see the perp killing the parents IF this was only about Jayme (which I do not know how I feel about that), is if they could recognize/name him. Most of children that are kidnapped, their parents are left completely fine. Or if they DIDNT know the perp, the perp had a reason to be very angry with the parents. I still do not know what I think fully about this case. I’ve read everything on r/JaymeCloss but would love to hear any and all opinions/theories. This is my first post ever sorry if it rambles on.
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My first post on here. Have been following since day 1. Not sure if this is allowed but in the early days there was a phone interview with a family member with I beleive it was cbs and it was stated the door was shot in. After that phone interview the family went silent with media until aunts spoke. It was said the LE didn’t put a gag order but asked family not to speak due to integrity of the investigation. Ie(things accidently being leaked LE don’t want leaked because only shooter and LE know) the interview was in the very early days. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or maybe the family missstated incorrectly. I beleive that interview was posted on this thread way back but have read so much since then. I have for most part only read this thread.
I was thinking about timing too. But if mr closs heard a kick he certainly would head towards his firearms don’t you think? Or maybe to tell Jayme and Mrs. Closs to hide and then go towards the firearms all which could be done fairly quickly especially with the adrenaline of being scared. If i heard someone kicking at my door I would make sure I was armed before going to investigate. The only reason I can think of that he would head towards the door is if he knew who was there, or was already near the front door trying to get them to leave. Him being shot near the front door with no firearm, no evidence (that has been shared yet at least) that he was trying to get to his guns is very strange.

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