Could he have been arguing through the door with someone he never expected would kick the door in? Then the perp just kicked the door in and shot him? That doesn't seem to make sense either. Can you really kick down a front door with one kick? I'd love to hear thoughts on how he could be lying near the front door, close enough for an officer to state that it looked as if he was answering the door when he was shot, without a firearm.
I’m wondering if perp knocked, Jim heard, started walking to the door to see who it was, perp could tell he was coming and shot through the door. Jim was down and the perp kicked the door in to gain entry and shot jim again. This had woken up jayme and her mom, who both ran into the bathroom to hide where there was a door with a lock and with the cell phone. The perp broke thru the door, saw the phone, killed Denise and grabbed jayme. 911 call you can hear only the fear/breathing/screaming/muffled before the perp hung it up and fled with jayme.
This kind of stuff goes down really fast and I am sure most people panic and don't always make the most logical move. On the part of the father, confronting the intruder might have been his only choice if he couldn't get to his guns in time. Or it might have been a reflex action to go towards the intruder rather than pick a different strategy. Because he may not have had time to do something else. In hindsight, maybe he could have run for the daughter's room and put her out the window and told her to run then taken his stand there. Who knows. But he didn't have the luxury of thinking through scenarios. Most people go into flight or flight mode. For men, it is usually fight mode by instinct and for women flight mode. So he confronted the intruder and they hid. For the mother and daughter, hiding in a room and locking the door, like the bathroom, might have been a panic instinct rather than trying to get to guns that they may not have been comfortable using or loading or that they weren't sure they could get to in time. #locksmithsherwoodnottingham

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I had not really thought about this detail until now. Didn’t think twice about a kicked in door, it doesn’t seem out of place in a crime, just something you kind of read through. However, do we think that the perpetrator kicked in the door for an element of surprise? (I think that is with most cases) Or possibly that they knew the family would not let them in/already tried knocking/ringing the bell and the family went to hide because they knew who the perp was. The only reason I see the perp killing the parents IF this was only about Jayme (which I do not know how I feel about that), is if they could recognize/name him. Most of children that are kidnapped, their parents are left completely fine. Or if they DIDNT know the perp, the perp had a reason to be very angry with the parents. I still do not know what I think fully about this case. I’ve read everything on r/JaymeCloss but would love to hear any and all opinions/theories. This is my first post ever sorry if it rambles on.

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I had not really thought about this detail until now. Didn’t think twice about a kicked in door, it doesn’t seem out of place in a crime, just something you kind of read through. However, do we think that the perpetrator kicked in the door for an element of surprise? (I think that is with most cases) Or possibly that they knew the family would not let them in/already tried knocking/ringing the bell and the family went to hide because they knew who the perp was. The only reason I see the perp killing the parents IF this was only about Jayme (which I do not know how I feel about that), is if they could recognize/name him. Most of children that are kidnapped, their parents are left completely fine. Or if they DIDNT know the perp, the perp had a reason to be very angry with the parents. I still do not know what I think fully about this case. I’ve read everything on r/JaymeCloss but would love to hear any and all opinions/theories. This is my first post ever sorry if it rambles on.

I realized after I wrote the post that I had forgotten about the time of night. Totally agree that someone knocking at 1am would certainly have them more on guard. This also is a small friendly town though. I think the only way that they would’ve KNOWN something was really off was if they recognized the person. I could be wrong, but Barron seems like the kind of town where if someone came and asked to use your phone because their car broke down, or your neighbor rang your bell late at night because of an emergency that most people would be happy to help. But i definitely agree that a family more in the country may grab a gun to check the door late at night just to be safe not even thinking anything is wrong.
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My first post on here. Have been following since day 1. Not sure if this is allowed but in the early days there was a phone interview with a family member with I beleive it was cbs and it was stated the door was shot in. After that phone interview the family went silent with media until aunts spoke. It was said the LE didn’t put a gag order but asked family not to speak due to integrity of the investigation. Ie(things accidently being leaked LE don’t want leaked because only shooter and LE know) the interview was in the very early days. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or maybe the family missstated incorrectly. I beleive that interview was posted on this thread way back but have read so much since then. I have for most part only read this thread.


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This kind of stuff goes down really fast and I am sure most people panic and don't always make the most logical move. On the part of the father, confronting the intruder might have been his only choice if he couldn't get to his guns in time. Or it might have been a reflex action to go towards the intruder rather than pick a different strategy. Because he may not have had time to do something else. In hindsight, maybe he could have run for the daughter's room and put her out the window and told her to run then taken his stand there. Who knows. But he didn't have the luxury of thinking through scenarios. Most people go into flight or flight mode. For men, it is usually fight mode by instinct and for women flight mode. So he confronted the intruder and they hid. For the mother and daughter, hiding in a room and locking the door, like the bathroom, might have been a panic instinct rather than trying to get to guns that they may not have been comfortable using or loading or that they weren't sure they could get to in time.
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