I'm picturing this: You live in a rural area. Lots of animals and such. You have guns. They make you feel safer, but you have never had to use them on a person. You have never experienced a home invasion. You hear a noise or knock and go to peek outside, expecting a raccoon. Imagine the horror to find a man trying to GET INTO YOUR HOUSE. Your wife and child are in the kitchen. If you go for the gun you are running past them. Instinctively you hold your ground between your family and the invader, screaming at your wife to call 911, grab the gun, get back or whatever. She is slow to respond in her own shock, and instead yells "Huh?" or "Why?" In the meantime the guy starts kicking the door. You scream "What the fuck!? What are you doing?!" Still slow to realize how imminent the danger is, and in shock at the sudden turn of events. You still don't move away, still instinctively standing in front of the door because YOUR CHILD IS NOW RIGHT BEHIND YOU. You tell her to get back, but she isn't comprehending what's in front of her. None of you are. And then it's too late.
I was thinking about timing too. But if mr closs heard a kick he certainly would head towards his firearms don’t you think? Or maybe to tell Jayme and Mrs. Closs to hide and then go towards the firearms all which could be done fairly quickly especially with the adrenaline of being scared. If i heard someone kicking at my door I would make sure I was armed before going to investigate. The only reason I can think of that he would head towards the door is if he knew who was there, or was already near the front door trying to get them to leave. Him being shot near the front door with no firearm, no evidence (that has been shared yet at least) that he was trying to get to his guns is very strange.
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This kind of stuff goes down really fast and I am sure most people panic and don't always make the most logical move. On the part of the father, confronting the intruder might have been his only choice if he couldn't get to his guns in time. Or it might have been a reflex action to go towards the intruder rather than pick a different strategy. Because he may not have had time to do something else. In hindsight, maybe he could have run for the daughter's room and put her out the window and told her to run then taken his stand there. Who knows. But he didn't have the luxury of thinking through scenarios. Most people go into flight or flight mode. For men, it is usually fight mode by instinct and for women flight mode. So he confronted the intruder and they hid. For the mother and daughter, hiding in a room and locking the door, like the bathroom, might have been a panic instinct rather than trying to get to guns that they may not have been comfortable using or loading or that they weren't sure they could get to in time.
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This kind of stuff goes down really fast and I am sure most people panic and don't always make the most logical move. On the part of the father, confronting the intruder might have been his only choice if he couldn't get to his guns in time. Or it might have been a reflex action to go towards the intruder rather than pick a different strategy. Because he may not have had time to do something else. In hindsight, maybe he could have run for the daughter's room and put her out the window and told her to run then taken his stand there. Who knows. But he didn't have the luxury of thinking through scenarios. Most people go into flight or flight mode. For men, it is usually fight mode by instinct and for women flight mode. So he confronted the intruder and they hid. For the mother and daughter, hiding in a room and locking the door, like the bathroom, might have been a panic instinct rather than trying to get to guns that they may not have been comfortable using or loading or that they weren't sure they could get to in time.
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I realized after I wrote the post that I had forgotten about the time of night. Totally agree that someone knocking at 1am would certainly have them more on guard. This also is a small friendly town though. I think the only way that they would’ve KNOWN something was really off was if they recognized the person. I could be wrong, but Barron seems like the kind of town where if someone came and asked to use your phone because their car broke down, or your neighbor rang your bell late at night because of an emergency that most people would be happy to help. But i definitely agree that a family more in the country may grab a gun to check the door late at night just to be safe not even thinking anything is wrong.
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A lot of people don't keep their guns accessible. Especially if they have children in the house. Some people keep them locked up or unloaded. They don't think about it that if someone breaks in, they may only have seconds to get to their gun and load it if needed. Those people won't be able to do that before the intruder can get to them. Just having a gun in the house is not enough. You have to be able to get to it before they get to you. If you want, time how long it would take you to open your front door and then run into the hallway of your house or even the bedroom. That is how long the Closs' had to react to somebody breaching their door. Very likely when that door was breached, any gun he kept in the house that wasn't within reach of him was of no use to him at all.

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I'm still baffled by the fact that James was shot and killed near the front door, but all of his known guns are accounted for and were not removed from wherever he stores them. If someone rang the bell, he may have gone to the door without a gun, but you'd think he'd at least have had it in the back of his mind that he should maybe be thinking about having one accessible. Then, if he didn't open the door, that tells you he perceived the person at the door to be a threat. So wouldn't he at least be retreating toward his guns when the person kicked the door in? That makes me think the perp just kicked the door in right away and that was the first sign to the family of any trouble at all. But then, why would James go to investigate the noise without grabbing a gun first? #locksmithnottingham

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My first post on here. Have been following since day 1. Not sure if this is allowed but in the early days there was a phone interview with a family member with I beleive it was cbs and it was stated the door was shot in. After that phone interview the family went silent with media until aunts spoke. It was said the LE didn’t put a gag order but asked family not to speak due to integrity of the investigation. Ie(things accidently being leaked LE don’t want leaked because only shooter and LE know) the interview was in the very early days. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or maybe the family missstated incorrectly. I beleive that interview was posted on this thread way back but have read so much since then. I have for most part only read this thread.
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I'm picturing this: You live in a rural area. Lots of animals and such. You have guns. They make you feel safer, but you have never had to use them on a person. You have never experienced a home invasion. You hear a noise or knock and go to peek outside, expecting a raccoon. Imagine the horror to find a man trying to GET INTO YOUR HOUSE. Your wife and child are in the kitchen. If you go for the gun you are running past them. Instinctively you hold your ground between your family and the invader, screaming at your wife to call 911, grab the gun, get back or whatever. She is slow to respond in her own shock, and instead yells "Huh?" or "Why?" In the meantime the guy starts kicking the door. You scream "What the fuck!? What are you doing?!" Still slow to realize how imminent the danger is, and in shock at the sudden turn of events. You still don't move away, still instinctively standing in front of the door because YOUR CHILD IS NOW RIGHT BEHIND YOU. You tell her to get back, but she isn't comprehending what's in front of her. None of you are. And then it's too late.
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I would imagine that if anyone had, in the slightest, upset the family recently, he would have gone for a gun before approaching the door at that hour. If I argued with a crazy neighbor or someone had made a threat recently, or any type of upsetting altercation happened, and there was a late night knock, I would anticipate that person and be on guard. Or perhaps the wife or daughter had an issue they didn't tell Dad about. So one of the women hears the knock, and is filled with dread. But Dad being Dad is not expecting trouble, and is taken by surprise.

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I was thinking about timing too. But if mr closs heard a kick he certainly would head towards his firearms don’t you think? Or maybe to tell Jayme and Mrs. Closs to hide and then go towards the firearms all which could be done fairly quickly especially with the adrenaline of being scared. If i heard someone kicking at my door I would make sure I was armed before going to investigate. The only reason I can think of that he would head towards the door is if he knew who was there, or was already near the front door trying to get them to leave. Him being shot near the front door with no firearm, no evidence (that has been shared yet at least) that he was trying to get to his guns is very strange.
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True, but most people don’t just call 911 if someone rings the bell or knocks. It likely would’ve been easier to keep them calm for as long as possible. Also what would’ve made them call the cops if they saw him/her at the door? Did they have a large gun? My thought is if them kicking in the door had any meaning, he KNEW they would be scared for a reason if they saw him first. I would think kicking in the door would lead to way faster screaming and trying to call 911. I really do wonder if they knew this person to be a danger, or minimally they would know something wasn’t right if this specific person was at their door. I am a very very cautious person but if i saw a man at my door ringing the bell I would not just immediately call 911. I really have a feeling that when this is all sorted that people are going to know who the perp is. Maybe it isn’t someone too close to them, but someone people could identify.


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I'm still baffled by the fact that James was shot and killed near the front door, but all of his known guns are accounted for and were not removed from wherever he stores them. If someone rang the bell, he may have gone to the door without a gun, but you'd think he'd at least have had it in the back of his mind that he should maybe be thinking about having one accessible. Then, if he didn't open the door, that tells you he perceived the person at the door to be a threat. So wouldn't he at least be retreating toward his guns when the person kicked the door in? That makes me think the perp just kicked the door in right away and that was the first sign to the family of any trouble at all. But then, why would James go to investigate the noise without grabbing a gun first?
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